The shortest odds on the best poker players in the world were +6,000 (or 60/1) with bookmakers and even that, people I've spoken to say, was much too generous to the best players. While nobody would be drawn on specific numbers, +50,000 (or 500/1) or higher in a field of 10,000 was seen as more sensible (though poker players love discussing odds. Disagree? Get in touch.)
As a guide, men's marathon world record holder Kenyan Eliud Kipchoge was - 200 (or 1/2) to win the 2023 Boston Marathon before the race started. The clear difference is that there's no gamble in marathon running. No matter how good you are at poker, the cards can still conspire against you. Jonathan Little is one of the top 200 on poker's all-time money list but hadn't cashed (generally tournaments pay the top ~15%) in the 95-tournament WSOP until the very last event.
"The nice thing about live poker is that sometimes you can just look and tell someone's bluffing if they are not a very serious player and they don't have a good poker face," Little says. Outside the U.S., online poker dominates live poker in the amount of money won and lost (and while important, we're not getting into gambling addiction here. A problem gambling helpline is here.) But because online poker is banned in most states, live poker still dominates proceedings.
Here still, the gap between the "maths" and study of GTO online poker has shrunk. In a recently streamed high-stakes battle between two of the all-time great players — Daniel Negranu and Phil Hellmuth, charts were printed out on hand to help, personalized for their opponent. One player at a recent World Poker Tour event was heavily criticized for a GTO solver at the table as he played.
That said, live poker — except for a couple of high-profile alleged examples — is generally free of "cheating" where AI is used to "solve" every situation. Online, it is more prevalent, and big poker sites are looking to crack down on any player deemed to have an unfair advantage.
"If you play too close to perfectly, they will ban you," Little says. "[The banned players will say] they're getting banned because they're good. That's not what it amounts to. Poker is a super-duper difficult game, and if you play too close to perfectly, you have to be cheating."
Ali Imsirovic was considered one of the best poker players in the world until he was banned from several sites. Amongst the numerous allegations, he allegedly used real-time assistance from artificial intelligence and GTO solvers to give himself an advantage, claims he denies.
He recently admitted that some of the allegations about him were true, but the GTO use was "impossible" in the circumstances he found himself in. Imsirovic has not responded to a request for a response to these allegations.
So can the top players be beaten by an AI and/or a GTO solver? In 2019, an AI called Pluribus defeated games of six-player poker, defeating 13 pros, all of who've won more than $1 million.
But Little says that winning at poker is much simpler than all of these solvers make out:
"To win at poker, all you've got to do is three things," he says. "One, find a game you can beat. Two, Play it a lot. Three, keep a proper bankroll. And if you do that... you'll win a ton of money whether or not you're good at poker in general."
And this comes down to understanding who the best poker player in the world is.
"Is the best player [the one] who knows GTO strategy the best? Is it the player who wins the most money? Is it the player who wins the most tournaments? It's a question that does not have a clear answer."
For now, Daniel Weinman will take his $12.1 million winnings as evidence that he's both lucky and good.
The questions we still don't have answers to after researching this article: (all musings/questions/opinions welcome to a.hudson@newsweek.com if you think you know the answers)
1. What happens if everyone learns to play perfectly? If GTO is used by everyone perfectly, the game is pure luck and relies only on cards. While this is impossible, the game is getting harder so more difficult for amateurs to win... unless they really are lucky.
2. Is using a solver cheating? If you read a book that improves your poker, that's obviously seen as fine. Most profitable pros use solvers, often straight after the game to learn. Where's the line and does that line keep moving?
3. Will there be another poker boom moment? When Chris Moneymaker played his first live tournament in 2003, it just happened to be the WSOP Main Event, and he won, despite the number of "incorrect" decisions he made. His win is regularly cited as creating the modern poker boom. As online poker returns to U.S. states after being banned, does a new era beckon?